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		<title>by: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://bahlactus.com/2007/01/marvel-madness-blackbucky/#comment-1297</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I feel bad for Marvel in regard to this.  They were in a lose-lose situation, and all things considered, they may have followed the best possible path to satisfy as many readers as possible.  Bear with me here as I try and give them the benefit of the doubt.

If they had named him Battlestar right off the bat, then it's possible legions of fans would have stood up and shouted that this was a betrayal of Marvel history and they were distorting the legacy of Captain America to appeal to some political correctness bug, angry letters would follow and possible sales would have tanked.  So instead they came out of the gate naming him Bucky, and a few issues later changed his name, all the while explaining it with a very succinct and powerful page that even a white 15 year old kid from the stone cold white New England suburbs could understand and empathize with.  There was no way an argument could be made that Marvel was changing history with no regard for character.  They were honoring history and moving forward into the future.

Please understand that I am not saying they should have kept the name, I'm only saying that they have a bottom line to feed based on a majority of people that openly despise change of any sort.  Money is a powerful motivator  They needed to trick these people into accepting the change, and at the same time they taught them (and me) about how language can affect perception, however unintended.  

Given the obligations to make money and be more culturally aware, I think they did a good job.  Of course, they could have made John Walker black in the first place and avoided this whole problem.  But then when they turned him crazy a few issues later, how would this have played out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel bad for Marvel in regard to this.  They were in a lose-lose situation, and all things considered, they may have followed the best possible path to satisfy as many readers as possible.  Bear with me here as I try and give them the benefit of the doubt.</p>
<p>If they had named him Battlestar right off the bat, then it&#8217;s possible legions of fans would have stood up and shouted that this was a betrayal of Marvel history and they were distorting the legacy of Captain America to appeal to some political correctness bug, angry letters would follow and possible sales would have tanked.  So instead they came out of the gate naming him Bucky, and a few issues later changed his name, all the while explaining it with a very succinct and powerful page that even a white 15 year old kid from the stone cold white New England suburbs could understand and empathize with.  There was no way an argument could be made that Marvel was changing history with no regard for character.  They were honoring history and moving forward into the future.</p>
<p>Please understand that I am not saying they should have kept the name, I&#8217;m only saying that they have a bottom line to feed based on a majority of people that openly despise change of any sort.  Money is a powerful motivator  They needed to trick these people into accepting the change, and at the same time they taught them (and me) about how language can affect perception, however unintended.  </p>
<p>Given the obligations to make money and be more culturally aware, I think they did a good job.  Of course, they could have made John Walker black in the first place and avoided this whole problem.  But then when they turned him crazy a few issues later, how would this have played out?
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		<title>by: bahlactus</title>
		<link>http://bahlactus.com/2007/01/marvel-madness-blackbucky/#comment-1277</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gorjus, thanks for stoppin' through bruh and lending us some flavor on how the issue impacted you.  I don't think Gruenwald was really aware -- and really, I'm not sure how much due diligence could have been done prior, you know?  

The timely response by Gruenwald and MARVEL was a solid move on their part and it would seem Battlestar had a decent run post-Bucky.  Thanks for the link on the Nina Simone joint, too. Be easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gorjus, thanks for stoppin&#8217; through bruh and lending us some flavor on how the issue impacted you.  I don&#8217;t think Gruenwald was really aware &#8212; and really, I&#8217;m not sure how much due diligence could have been done prior, you know?  </p>
<p>The timely response by Gruenwald and MARVEL was a solid move on their part and it would seem Battlestar had a decent run post-Bucky.  Thanks for the link on the Nina Simone joint, too. Be easy.
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		<title>by: gorjus</title>
		<link>http://bahlactus.com/2007/01/marvel-madness-blackbucky/#comment-1275</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bahlactus, great points.  I was a huge fan of the series when it came out, and I think what's important to point out is that Mark Gruenwald's Captain America was unabashedly progressive, in the sense that he battled against totalitarianism and for individual liberty against a repressive, clearly Republican government.  So the question is . . . how did this leak into his work?  After all, Gruenwald would be someone who would seem to be much more sensitive to such an issue.  

I remember reading the "apology" comic and being kind of shocked.  As a pre-teen in Alabama, I'd already heard a host of derogatory terms for African-Americans, but I'd never heard "buck" before, and I was a few years shy of hearing Nina Simone's tribute song ( http://www.boscarol.com/nina/html/where/buck.html ) .  By this time, the term had largely fallen out of any use.

Of course, just because a 12-year old white kid didn't know it doesn't mean a thirty-something New Yorker shouldn't have.

I think Battlestar was a great character--I thought he was awesome and hoped at the time that he would become the new Cap--and I wonder if Gruenwald just stumbled accidentally into an offensive term because of how archaic it was.  He seemed to care for the character and its development, but there's something more at work here--just not paying enough attention to the larger cultural implication of the comic as a work of art.  Far too often the standard response to informed race-and-gender criticism is that "it's only a comic," or "it's written predominantly for white males, anyway."  This is a weak attempt to side-step owning up to outdated attitudes and ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bahlactus, great points.  I was a huge fan of the series when it came out, and I think what&#8217;s important to point out is that Mark Gruenwald&#8217;s Captain America was unabashedly progressive, in the sense that he battled against totalitarianism and for individual liberty against a repressive, clearly Republican government.  So the question is . . . how did this leak into his work?  After all, Gruenwald would be someone who would seem to be much more sensitive to such an issue.  </p>
<p>I remember reading the &#8220;apology&#8221; comic and being kind of shocked.  As a pre-teen in Alabama, I&#8217;d already heard a host of derogatory terms for African-Americans, but I&#8217;d never heard &#8220;buck&#8221; before, and I was a few years shy of hearing Nina Simone&#8217;s tribute song ( <a href='http://www.boscarol.com/nina/html/where/buck.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.boscarol.com/nina/html/where/buck.html</a> ) .  By this time, the term had largely fallen out of any use.</p>
<p>Of course, just because a 12-year old white kid didn&#8217;t know it doesn&#8217;t mean a thirty-something New Yorker shouldn&#8217;t have.</p>
<p>I think Battlestar was a great character&#8211;I thought he was awesome and hoped at the time that he would become the new Cap&#8211;and I wonder if Gruenwald just stumbled accidentally into an offensive term because of how archaic it was.  He seemed to care for the character and its development, but there&#8217;s something more at work here&#8211;just not paying enough attention to the larger cultural implication of the comic as a work of art.  Far too often the standard response to informed race-and-gender criticism is that &#8220;it&#8217;s only a comic,&#8221; or &#8220;it&#8217;s written predominantly for white males, anyway.&#8221;  This is a weak attempt to side-step owning up to outdated attitudes and ignorance.
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		<title>by: Blog@Newsarama &#187; Black Bucky?</title>
		<link>http://bahlactus.com/2007/01/marvel-madness-blackbucky/#comment-1268</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] would be, why wouldn’t this be a big deal???  Posted by Lisa Fortuner in News &#38; Views [ Permalink ] [] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] would be, why wouldn’t this be a big deal???  Posted by Lisa Fortuner in News &#38; Views [ Permalink ] [] [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: one diverse comic book nation &#187; THE SHORT STACK: Diversity On The &#8216;Net - January 5, 2007</title>
		<link>http://bahlactus.com/2007/01/marvel-madness-blackbucky/#comment-1266</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] MARVEL Madness! Black Bucky??? - Bahlactus continues to look at Lemar Hoskins, the black Bucky, and gives us some historical perspective (from Always Bet On Bahlactus) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] MARVEL Madness! Black Bucky??? - Bahlactus continues to look at Lemar Hoskins, the black Bucky, and gives us some historical perspective (from Always Bet On Bahlactus) [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: BeaucoupKevin</title>
		<link>http://bahlactus.com/2007/01/marvel-madness-blackbucky/#comment-1264</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 05:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Imagine that.  An office full of uptight white men who managed to &lt;a HREF="http://www.digital-priest.com/comics/adventures/index.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;consistently prove themselves ignorant on racial issues&lt;/A&gt; called a character a name just shy of Lawn Jockey.

(Yeah, I have a real problem with the casual racism that plagued the industry in the 80s.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine that.  An office full of uptight white men who managed to <a HREF="http://www.digital-priest.com/comics/adventures/index.htm" rel="nofollow">consistently prove themselves ignorant on racial issues</A> called a character a name just shy of Lawn Jockey.</p>
<p>(Yeah, I have a real problem with the casual racism that plagued the industry in the 80s.)
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		<title>by: Max</title>
		<link>http://bahlactus.com/2007/01/marvel-madness-blackbucky/#comment-1262</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I really like the Gruenwald cap stuff, but the whole bucky situation was a little too obvious. I'm happy they rectified it tastefully instead of avoiding the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the Gruenwald cap stuff, but the whole bucky situation was a little too obvious. I&#8217;m happy they rectified it tastefully instead of avoiding the issue.
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		<title>by: Michael</title>
		<link>http://bahlactus.com/2007/01/marvel-madness-blackbucky/#comment-1259</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Actually, Marvel changed his name in response to a letter from one of the readers, explaining that "Bucky" was a derivation of a derogatory name for black men in the South.
Mark Gruenwald, the writer, and the editorial staff at the time got right on it and changed his name up a few issues later. I think it was in a back-up tale in #341 or so.
Priest was also at marvel at this time, too, I believe. He was editing the Spidey books and went under the name Jim Owlsley.
Hope that helps out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Marvel changed his name in response to a letter from one of the readers, explaining that &#8220;Bucky&#8221; was a derivation of a derogatory name for black men in the South.<br />
Mark Gruenwald, the writer, and the editorial staff at the time got right on it and changed his name up a few issues later. I think it was in a back-up tale in #341 or so.<br />
Priest was also at marvel at this time, too, I believe. He was editing the Spidey books and went under the name Jim Owlsley.<br />
Hope that helps out.
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		<title>by: david brothers</title>
		<link>http://bahlactus.com/2007/01/marvel-madness-blackbucky/#comment-1247</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'd read somewhere that a Marvel staffer actually went to the writer of the story like "What in the world is &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt;?!" and clued him in on the offensive name, causing the change.

I want to say that it was Priest, but I checked his site and couldn't find anything on it. Maybe Kurt Busiek? I'm not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d read somewhere that a Marvel staffer actually went to the writer of the story like &#8220;What in the world is <i>this</i>?!&#8221; and clued him in on the offensive name, causing the change.</p>
<p>I want to say that it was Priest, but I checked his site and couldn&#8217;t find anything on it. Maybe Kurt Busiek? I&#8217;m not sure.
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